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    Pat Angko

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    Hope this is the right place.

    Post by Pat Angko on 29th March 2012, 6:29 am

    Hi, it looks very sleepy here? I get attracted to this site because it states no moderators here. Well, I think this is right. All the other boards have "mods" thinking they are some kind of chosen beings deciding how to interpret our freedom of speech and observation. Wait and see.
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    KohMak

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    Post by KohMak on 15th April 2012, 7:40 am

    Pat Angko wrote:Hi, it looks very sleepy here? I get attracted to this site because it states no moderators here. Well, I think this is right. All the other boards have "mods" thinking they are some kind of chosen beings deciding how to interpret our freedom of speech and observation. Wait and see.
    Pat
    To be frank I think there is absolutely nothing wrong with moderation at all. Not "chosen beings" as you put it.They are able to sort the wheat from the chaf or in your case the chav Razz
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    Post by Pat Angko on 15th April 2012, 10:10 am

    I see moderation as censorship, who is my "senior" to sensor my thoughts and opinions? Who is controlling the "sorters" as you write? Suspect
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    To explain to KohMak my thoughts on freedom of expression.

    Post by Pat Angko on 15th April 2012, 12:27 pm

    Pat Angko wrote:I see moderation as censorship, who is my "senior" to sensor my thoughts and opinions? Who is controlling the "sorters" as you write? Suspect

    'What Must be Said' to unmask hypocrisy? KohMak, take note please...
    The poem by Nobel prize-winning writer Gunter Grass describes eloquently the injustice and double standards by which criticisms of Muslims is a given while similar viewpoints on Jews are labelled anti-Semitic

    In 1988, the Booker Prize-winning British-Indian novelist Salman Rushdie published a novel entitled The Satanic Verses. Many Muslim groups, highly offended by what they perceived to be its defamatory references to the Prophet Mohammed, organised global protests. The Iranian government also issued a fatwa against him, but later rescinded it.

    This month the Nobel Prize-winning German writer Gunter Grass published a poem entitled What Must be Said. Many Jewish groups, highly offended by what they perceived to be its defamatory references to Israel, issued several denunciatory statements against Grass, most of them involving the accusation of anti-Semitism. The Israeli government declared him persona non grata.

    I was at pains to establish a) the artistic difference between what Rushdie and Grass wrote; b) the similarities of the reactions by the critics; c) the differences in the way both Rushdie and Grass, as well as their critics, are judged; d) who decides who can and cannot be criticised; and e) what criteria should be used either way.

    According to many Western commentators in 1988, Rushdie was only exercising his artistic right to freedom of expression and his critics were all Islamic fundamentalist, fanatic extremists. By the same token, Grass should be allowed to exercise his artistic right to freedom of expression and his critics should also be similarly branded Jewish fundamentalist, fanatic extremists.

    That's not quite what happened, however. Rushdie is hailed as a great writer and free thinker, while Grass is called an anti-Semite.

    At its very core, the difference boils down to this: Islam and Muslims can be freely criticised as terrorists, fanatics, fundamentalists and extremists. Jews and Israel cannot be similarly criticised.

    So, following in the footsteps of Grass, I too will say what must be said: Those days are over.

    A careful reading of the translation of Grass' poem will indicate that he was telling Israel not to start another war, and telling the German government not to supply Israel with a submarine which it could very well use in such a war.

    Effectively, he was accusing the Germans of forgetting the lessons of their own sordid wartime history, and the Israelis of double standards and hypocrisy.

    What's wrong with that? Indeed, I encourage everyone to read Grass' poem (translations are widely available on the internet) and decide for themselves.

    If the Israelis have any sense, they will heed his warning. Should they, and their US supporters, go ahead with an attack on Iran, there will be lots of things that need to be said that will get said.

    That's when the Pandora's box that Grass is very wisely warning about will open big time. The consequences of that, too, are clear in the poem.

    All told, it's a fine poem, aimed at doing what artists and writers often try to do: Save the world from more violence and conflict.

    The questions about freedom of expression and its critics, as raised above, are long overdue for a good public debate.

    Freedom of expression is a universal right. The key questions are who decides how, when, where and why that right can and should be exercised, and who is allowed to exercise it.

    I personally have no objection to anyone drawing cartoons about religious leaders, depicting caricatures of gods and goddesses, or poking a little good-natured fun at religious rituals, customs and traditions.

    Religions take themselves much too seriously these days, and need to lighten up. Those which cannot provide rational reasons for their philosophies, guidance and dogmas will soon fade into oblivion anyway.

    What I object to is double standards, with one side being censored and shouted down, while the other gets free rein to do whatever it wants.

    No one in the Western world has been able to offer anyone in the Muslim world a clear definition of the terms and conditions under which this extremely offensive reference to ''Islamic terrorism'' is used.

    When a bomb goes off in South Thailand, the reference to ''suspected Islamic insurgents'' is a given, a very clear reference to the religion.

    When a bomb goes off in Nagaland, India, there is no reference to the religion of the attackers in media reports. In fact, the Indian government does not even refer to the attack as terrorism. The official nomenclature attributed to it is ''extremism'' or ''militancy''.

    The global effort to pursue Joseph Kony of the Lord's Resistance Army in Africa rarely proscribes the group's religious affiliation to Christianity.

    There are also plenty of Hindu, Sikh and Jewish terrorists. As I have noted in numerous previous columns, Mahatma Gandhi was assassinated by a Hindu, Indira Gandhi was assassinated by a Sikh and Yitzhak Rabin by a Jew.

    Former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin was the head of a terrorist group known as the Irgun, responsible for a number of attacks against British forces in Palestine at the time.

    Anders Behring Brevik, the Norwegian terrorist, wrote a ''manifesto'' that oozed racism of the worst kind. Timothy McVeigh, the April 1995 Oklahoma bomber, was a blue-eyed, all-American type.

    US army Sgt Robert Bales is on trial for shooting 17 innocent Afghan civilians in cold blood. He was sent to Afghanistan to protect them, not massacre them.

    There was no reference to Sgt Bales having killed Muslim children. Yet, in Toulouse, France, last month, it was made quite clear that Muslim gunman Mohammad Merah had killed innocent Jewish children.

    Clearly, terrorism and violence, war and conflict are not confined to any caste, colour, creed, ethnic or religious group, nationality or social status.

    But there is no doubt that a global effort is under way to stigmatise Islam and Muslims, as well as related groups such as Arabs and Iranians, as being vicious and violence prone.

    In his poem, Gunter Grass was making clear that in attempting to start another war, Israel was overlooking its own history as a victim of violence. He reserved the right to criticise Israel and no longer felt it necessary to be cowed by useless accusations of ''anti-Semitism''.

    I applaud Grass, and his right to freedom of expression.

    If more such rights are exercised by more people, more often, many more deaths will be avoided.

    As Grass was saying in his poem, no one should be above reproach.
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    thor.halland

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    Post by thor.halland on 21st September 2012, 5:18 pm

    Any word on what is going on with some of these blogs in Thailand? Can't seem to get any real news, only whiners. Sure look forward to this suite giving me information on real news in Thailand for foreigners.

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    Post by thor.halland on 22nd September 2012, 3:14 pm

    Now I am staying in Hua Hin, but looking for a condo for a change of pace maybe in Bangkok or Phuket. Any ideas, guys Question
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    Post by Admin on 28th September 2012, 2:00 pm

    thor.halland wrote:Now I am staying in Hua Hin, but looking for a condo for a change of pace maybe in Bangkok or Phuket. Any ideas, guys Question

    Interesting, I know a TH in PTY......
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    Post by Admin on 28th September 2012, 2:04 pm

    thor.halland wrote:Any word on what is going on with some of these blogs in Thailand? Can't seem to get any real news, only whiners. Sure look forward to this suite giving me information on real news in Thailand for foreigners.

    This is a bit of a problem Mr. Halland, 99% of the members here only want to read. The 1 % writing or at least responding loose interest. Could you make a difference? Sleep

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